Magnus Anderson wrote:1) he's the reason obsrvr is on this forum
obsrvr524 wrote:I'm not all the way reading through James' SAM corp posts so I shouldn't comment yet.
obsrvr524 wrote:Is there anyone else on this board who thinks that given a million families who have an otherwise normal education of skills and theories but never even heard of capitalism or dictatorships would merely keep working hard each day developing new innovative technologies and ways of doing things without ever slacking off or deciding to get a little more for less by deciding that enough has long passed and it just isn't worth it?
After observing James (along with others) for years and then trying to find error in what he has said, I can competently defend much of it and by doing so discover that he was even more right than I thought. From there, a person begins to actually think much like him (or anyone else they have studied). If it makes you feel better, it pisses off my wife too. If I believed and studied you, I would start sounding like you (maybe she would like that better). It is just a hazard of the practice. Why do you think people publish books if not to get others to think as they do (although James never published a book that I am aware of). I wish he had been more politically verbose. I had serious questions, especially about Americans).Silhouette wrote:Magnus Anderson wrote:1) he's the reason obsrvr is on this forum
He may as well be James at this point.
It's one thing to venerate the odd household-name philosopher so highly, though still a little lame and adolescent. But to do the same for some random guy on the internet who clearly lacks anything close the base philosophical knowledge that's standard and evident from philosophers who earned their fame for actually progressing on this base knowledge instead of merely protesting against superficial understandings of various prevailing academic ideas of today?
And the guy stumbles into a thread to blindly and incorrectly criticise others for being unable to change their religion, while at the same time painting James as this "hero" and potential saviour alongside various references to Abrahamic texts...
I dunno, sock puppet or not, it just doesn't add up.
Silhouette wrote:You've made up your mind about Marxism without even knowing that Communism is stateless, while constantly fawning over some poster making the same fundamental mistake.
Silhouette wrote:But of course being pro-family only makes you "so very anti-communist" but not "so very anti-capitalist" at all![]()
Because I guess you can be pro-Capitalist yet also cherry pick pro-family, but not pro-Communism yet also cherry pick pro-family "for reasons"...
Silhouette wrote:Lacking an authentically chosen purpose to work on is hugely detrimental to human mental health, almost as much as being directly or indirectly forced to deny it in favour of having to work full-time in jobs you hate.
Silhouette wrote:You argue that we need a State (whilst also praising some poster for replacing the State with a constitution) to loom over everyone to enforce the imperitive to work like a strict father-figure.
Silhouette wrote:You'd rather assume I'm just teenager-talking rather than open to many possibilities as I've been trying to communicate.
obsrvr524 wrote:
[ although James never published a book that I am aware of ]
surreptitious75 wrote:obsrvr524 wrote:
[ although James never published a book that I am aware of ]
Rationale Metaphysik : Affektanz Ontologie / James S Saint [ 20I9 ]
Mithus wrote:surreptitious75 wrote:obsrvr524 wrote:
[ although James never published a book that I am aware of ]
Rationale Metaphysik : Affektanz Ontologie / James S Saint [ 20I9 ]
There is also an English edition of the book: Rational Metaphysics:Affectance Ontology, but James did not publish it. Between 2014 and 2018 I compiled thousands of his posts, sorted them (with his help), translated them into German. and in early 2019 I published the German edition, half a year later the English edition. It was not planned from the beginning that it would become a book and I am not even sure if James ever learned that it exists.
phoneutria wrote:"prevent counter-revolution", in other words to keep a group of workers in power
as opposed to the capitalist state according to marx
which he said ... is a force for keeping a group of people in power
and "the workers as The State"
as opposed to "the people as State", which is what a democracy is
so we just have to trust that these "workers"
have our best interests at heart
they're all silhouettes
cuz if they're not
the despotic inroads kick in
to "prevent counter-revolution"
that sounds great because corruption in the public arena is unheard of!
yes, sil
extremely naive
phoneutria wrote:i am not disputing that profit is revenue minus expenses
i am saying that the reason things are worth more than what production expense is not labor
a cake is not worth more than a bag of flour because somebody worked to make it
it is worth more because it is delicious and people want to eat it
what creates value is not labor, it's use!
phoneutria wrote:there are always consequences
the difference is that people are less likely to be reckless and stupid
when it's their own money that is at stake
or when they can suffer immediate and direct punishment
public enterprises are wasteful and ridden with corruption
because it's not their money they are squandering
and the people running them are not accountable to anyone
it's a trickle of resources
in which every administrative layer takes out a little chunk
until at the bottom there is not enough to provide the most basic needs
to the people who need it the most
don't tell me it ain't so comrade
i live in soviet brazil
phoneutria wrote:I don't understand what your point is here.Silhouette wrote:Yes, we should all feel very grateful for what we have today, because things used to be worse.
my point is that today's dollars
i'm my pocket dollars, right now dollars
are worth more than future dollars
the standard business skills routinely assigned to employees
are done in exchange for today's dollars
no matter if the thing they made yields a profit or not
they can pay their bills and take their ladies out to a nice steak dinner
phoneutria wrote:this isn't an argument
where's the accountancy and knowledge of how money works?
all i'm seeing is:
sil: why should employers pay themselves so much?
pho: because they set that up
sil: but that's not fair!
pho:... -.-
phoneutria wrote:i'm totes in favor of knowledge sharing
the things we have now thanks to open-source for example
tesla dude for example
released all of his tech papers
so anyone who wants to build an electric car can do it
the thing is that i think that people should also be able to make a living off of their work
when their work is intellectual
so like you're a philosopher and you write something pretty amazing
or a painter who made a really beautiful thing that everyone loves
and you want to sell some books so you can live off of that
and people selling pirated or knock-offs are sorta doing a shitty thing imo
so it's nice that that kind of work is private commercial use for 50 years
but there's a fair use clause for people who are not making money to be able to use it
and then after those 50 years it's completely free to share and use
the thing i'm most uncool with is the wanting to take over a person's actual business that they built
fuck that
take the knowledge and build your own
Silhouette wrote:You're way overestimating the power of employees in this whole arrangement that we've currently got going on.phoneutria wrote:no i'm not
you're underestimating it
phoneutria wrote:all the power to us
i mean they
they work their asses off to learn stuff constantly and stay on top of the market
they're diligent and dependable and have good ethics
they get shit done
employers love them
they fucking earned it
we live in a society that provides equal rights
to anyone who wants to pursue studies or learn a trade
and form a career
there was a time when i couldn't go to school if i wanted, or own land
now i have the same rights as any man thank fuck
and before you start taking the pains of the poor people
i'm from the fucking third world
the house i grew up in had a tin roof
my parents toughed it for years so i could go to school
it is in everyone's power to be that person
there is a tiny proportion of that because people are shit
most people on the planet are doing the bare minimum that they have to do to get by
hierarchies form naturally
not because of classes
but because people are different
the pareto principle
you know this shit
don't make me type it
phoneutria wrote:see the above
in fact everyone is replaceable
but the pool of the good people to pick from is very small
so when a company finds a good employee they hold on to them
we have a system in place that encourages good ethics, hard work, and efficiecy
why the fuck would you want to mess with that?
phoneutria wrote:don't forget that it is capitalism that is for all effects eliminating absolute poverty from the world
it's not like it's something they put there to replace poverty
it's the thing that is making it go away
so yay for capitalism indeed
and yay for free market
Re: Container of Vacuum ILP thread wrote:obsrvr524 wrote:I think Mr Carleas proposed this thread as a veiled question as to whether Mr Joe Biden will float in the sewer.obsrvr524 wrote:MagsJ wrote:Ah! lol.. well that went over my head, but.. then again, I ain’t American.
I keep forgetting that the people on this board pay little to no attention to international and world affairs. Just to fill in the possible gaps:
After years of observing a variety of Americans while having to live in the "muck" of international manipulations, I think what is happening in America right now is the most important event since World War 2.
What is happening in the US is apparently exactly what led to the rise of Nazism, World War 1 and 2, and the Bolshevik Revolution. The US is in a battle with Marxism. The chosen leader for the Marxist revolution is a vacuous shell of a man named Mr Joe Biden who is standing as a Trojan puppet for a self-proclaimed socialist Mr Bernie Sanders and his bolsheviks and brown coats - Antifa and BLM. This is the time of pre-World War 3. You are living through it - right now. The presidential election in the US is extremely critical to the entire world. Will Mr Biden float to the top - will the USA lose its constitution - will the world's icon of individual and civil rights be lost forever?
That is how Mr Joe Biden got into this thread.MagsJ wrote:When will feudalistic countries realise that it’s what’s best for your country, not for your individual selves.. coz you’ve got to live in that muck and mire, sire.
I think that it is an intentional false narrative (created by Marxists) that individual rights are a separate, distinct, and contrary issue from societal obligations. The two issues are intertwined. The need of society is to serve individuals and the need for individuals is to serve society. They have to determine the balance. It is not, and never has been the dichotomy that Marxists promote for their required murderous revolutions.
The conclusion of this thread is that yes historically a socialist trojan horse will in fact rise in the sewer is society. The hope of the world is that a constitution separating governing powers (the Constitution of the USA) will form such a firm crust upon the waters that the Marxist fantasy bubble of belief will never reach the light of day in the USA.
phoneutria wrote:Sill I will get to this thread at some point
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Sil, you're just defensive and butthurt because the truth hits home.
The "dumbasses" are right. It sucks to be wrong, doesn't it?
Keep luring Phone with your "sweet" song, I want to hear and watch this...lol!
Silhouette wrote:Highschool football, WOOOO!!!
See, this is why it's impossible to discuss anything with you.
Everything you say is just drenched in subjectivism and trash talk, presented as certain fact like you're imagining a pantomime audience behind you going "ooooooo" every time you drop a putdown - it's like you learned how to debate from pro wrestlers.
And it's all you seem to know how to respond to - I can't work with this: it's the difference between a kangaroo court, or the kind you see on TV drama, and a real court with actual trained lawyers who put years into reading and learning their craft. I'm trying to at least approach the latter, though by no means am I an expert on Marxism. But then there's you, who quite apparently hasn't even touched a book by Marx in your whole life. Why the hell would I want to talk to such a person about Marxism?
It's like calling in a plumber to fix a leak in your house, and he turns up and tells you he's completely qualified to help because he's read some history about plumbers.
It becomes quite clear that he's never studied plumbing in his life as soon as he starts to try and fix the leak, but oh does he have dirt on plumbers of the past!!!![]()
Without question you'd tell this moron to get the fuck out of your house, and immediately try to find a real plumber instead.
And no, that doesn't make you a "Marxist infiltrator" like the moron obsrvr is stupidly trying to pull.
You don't know what you're talking about. Obsrvr doesn't know what he's talking about.
As soon as you drop the bravado and start talking about the facts of what Marx actually wrote then maybe we'll have something to talk about.
Silhouette wrote:We both know that will never happen, so until this magical point when you each grow up I will continue to treat both you AND obsrvr as plumbers who cannot plumb. It's that simple.
I will continue to talk with pho because she has shown knowledge of the relevant material and the ability to debate the actual points I'm making (and not exaggerated straw men) without merely trying to "lay the smack down" under some imagined spotlight.
Silhouette wrote:I want her to be right and show me a way to improve myself.
It doesn't even have to be her who does it!! You too could actually succeed in "winning" if you'd just adjust your stupid attitude for the low low price of picking up a book and actually taking time and effort to contemplate the contents in good faith. And pigs might fly.
Same goes for you, obsrvr. Fuck off with your "bubble of belief" - that's a you problem. I absolutely will spew vitriol and demand you shut up when all you know how to do is waltz in and shit all over the hard work of others with the same tired shit we've all heard time and again to the point of nausea, as if the crap you're spouting hasn't already been debunked a thousand times already in this thread. And then you have the gall to try and pretend "it's a Marxist thing" to get all authoritarian up your ass like it's their fault that you don't have a fucking clue. It's absolutely within anyone's right to tell such a dickhead to shut the fuck up, and you'd even do the same if the situation was in reverse - I bet. But when someone is pissed off with people straying from the facts of Marxist writings for the zillionth time, all of a sudden it's political and typical of "them". Go. Fuck. Your. Self. Cunt. I'd be happy to debate you with civility if you knew anything at all about the topic though.
Silhouette wrote:By all means feel free to continue to prove me right.
And have you read a book by Marx yet?
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Silhouette wrote:have you read a book by Marx yet?
It doesn't matter
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